Ep 131: Call of the Collectors - Part 1 w/ Joe Coiro

[00:00:08] Hello and welcome to episode 131 of A Gamer Looks At 40. I'm Bill Tucker and today we start the first of four episodes where we talk to people who like to collect stuff. Now for some reason or another, I'm not one of those people so collectors, especially in the world of retro video games, are endlessly interesting to me.

[00:00:33] See not only are they following a passion that I have as well, they're protecting a legacy, a hobby that was initially meant to be disposable distractions in favor of quote unquote higher forms of art. And there's also stories buried in these cabinets and shelves full of plastic and cardboard. Personal tales behind the things. Reasons why these collections exist at all.

[00:01:02] On this episode of A Gamer Looks At 40, I chat with the first collector I ever knew, the one and only Joe Coiro of JoeCade on YouTube. During this conversation we discuss big gets, the importance of preserving the past, and the stories behind his most precious pieces.

[00:01:20] Time to jump on Facebook marketplace, expand our search area, and hope for hidden gems as we embark upon episode 131, Call of the Collector, part one with Joe Coiro. Ladies and gentlemen, we have an auspicious guest with us this evening for A Gamer Looks At 40.

[00:01:50] He is a man of many talents, none of which I can be allowed to speak of due to legal reasons that I cannot disclose at this time. But he is one of one of the Joe Cade YouTube channel, the one and only Joe Coiro. What's going on, buddy? All right. You're going to insert applause here. Yes. I was guaranteed that. All right. You're making me do a little extra work. I have. It was contingent upon me coming on the show. So come on. I don't read your writer.

[00:02:19] I don't read any of these things. I don't read the contract. I am. It's a prerequisite for any time I've been. Whenever I enter a room, actually. Okay. I have the echo. I say, Alexa, round of applause. So, yeah. I'm surprised you don't have your own entrance music like a wrestler. You're just like, I am a real American. Hey, speaking of that, I don't want to veer too off. No, that's fine. Wasn't Data, didn't he have great entrance music?

[00:02:48] Do you remember from the Goonies every time Data was on screen, anytime he was in frame? Remember? Wasn't that great? I think I do remember this. I vaguely remember. It's been a very long time. Anyway. Anyway. This whole thing is going to be cut. No. No, probably not. I'm sure it will just stay as is. It'll stay like it was before.

[00:03:15] We were doing Godfather Alliance before we got on the show, and now we're doing them again. Um, Joey, we're here to talk about collecting. I find collecting to be fascinating. I don't have the collector's gene. I don't have the collector's bug. I try to get rid of things, not acquire them. But Joey, you are the opposite. You've been collecting video game stuff since I've known you pretty much. So let's just start out with the very beginning.

[00:03:43] We've talked about your entry points into video games on this show before. Check out episode four, I think it is. Sega Kid and Nintendo Playground. Either three or four. One of the very first episodes of this podcast where we talk about your entry point into video games. But let's, I want to first explore where, where did you start actually collecting? And you still have the systems from your, from your youth, right? But like, when, when, when did you turn from a fan of video games to a collector in your mind?

[00:04:12] Oh, so yes. To answer your question, I still have the video games from my youth. I've got 71 video game consoles. For those who may or may not know, when I was young, I was, I was, really the whole thing started with one faithful decision, faithful, I should say decision, choosing the Sega Master System over the NES.

[00:04:37] And there is an episode, an installment on your great program about that. Um, yeah, I just fell in love with one game, Shinobi. I had family members, my uncle, everyone tried to deter me like, you got to get the Nintendo. You got, everyone's talking about the Nintendo, Nintendo, Nintendo, and Nintendo just didn't have Shinobi. So I just, you know, very tunnel vision. I wanted Master System.

[00:05:02] Um, and because of that, um, I wasn't happy. We were a family, we were living on a budget. Um, so I, we couldn't get Nintendo at that time in 87, 88. My uncle, there's another episode on this, um, for your program, got me, gave me his Atari. He thought, oh, maybe this, you know, Joseph's not happy with the Master System. Maybe this will make him happy. And it may be even less happy.

[00:05:32] It was, it was, there's, yeah, a whole episode on this, the Frogger episode. So, yeah, I struck out twice. And then I moved, uh, away. I moved away to another neighborhood in 90. And when we moved into the new house, um, we went into the crawl space and there was a TurboGrafx-16 that they left. Yeah. They left it there. There was a hookup cable. There was a game. There was a control pad, but no power cord. No power cord. Interesting. Okay.

[00:06:02] So I became obsessed with trying to power this thing and fitting, forcing other ones from radio programs. I mean, I'm sorry, from radios, um, just everywhere. Yeah. Yeah. Trying to, trying to force this in. And, uh, my father was like, Joseph, you're going to fry it. It doesn't work. And I, I jammed it in and he was right. I fried it. Bam. Did you really fry? Let's say, were you trying to be a junior electrical engineer? Yeah. Like, sure.

[00:06:30] Let's fit this thing into this space. Oh my gosh. That's funny. So the thing broke. Yeah. So you fried it. Okay. I really fried it. So the thing broke and, um, it was Christmas time of 91 the following year. And it was, you know, Genesis or Super Nintendo. And this time I wasn't going to make the same mistake. I said, I'm getting, we're getting the Super Nintendo. And we had a little bit more disposable income. So my father said, okay, you can do that.

[00:06:56] Uh, simultaneously that month, one of my neighbors down the street in a garage sale was selling his Nintendo. Jeff Hope was selling his Nintendo original NES, not Super Nintendo, original NES for $40. So I got it. I saved up my money. I had enough allowance and I bought it. I bought it at the same time that we got the Super Nintendo for Christmas.

[00:07:26] And I played the NES, Bill. I could say this emphatically. I played the NES more than I played the Super Nintendo because I had to catch up on all those games, Bill. Sure. Sure. Yeah. It was a whole beautiful catalog of games and titles that I had never played before. So like, it was like, whoa, to me, the Super Nintendo, don't get me wrong. We played it, but not like the NES. Um, and I was a new kid on the block.

[00:07:55] So it was, it was Christmas of 91. So it's really the spring of 92 that I start having friends come over the house and they saw five consoles. They saw my, my Sega Master System, right? They saw the Super Nintendo that we got for Christmas, the Nintendo, the third, that's the third console, the Nintendo that I bought from the garage sale for $40 from Jeff Hope,

[00:08:22] the Atari that my uncle had given me and a TurboGrafx-16 that the old residents of the house left that didn't work. And I'd ever told them it didn't work. I just, no, that I did my, I did my classic Joey smoke and mirror sleight of hands. Yeah. I never knew it worked. I've known you for 37 something years. When did we play it? We never, you never played it. Never played it. I've never, I know you had one, but I've never once played it. Yeah. I had no idea until this very moment.

[00:08:51] It didn't work. The only, the only system, the only systems we would play for those that don't know, Super Nintendo and Nintendo, obviously, because when Bill would come over, I would say, help me with, how do I get by Mega Man here? Help me, help me with space mutants. And Bill was a wizard. I mean, he was, he was fantastic at video games and he would just, so we would play the Nintendo. We would play the Super Nintendo. We would play the Atari for a laugh. And he, and Bill, well, he liked the master system.

[00:09:18] He'll deny it up and down, but there was some titles, space area, hang on that he did enjoy. We never played the TurboGrafx. He might've asked me, he might've said, Joey, can we play that? And knowing me, I probably gave some excuse like, oh, I lost the control pad or whatever. But it's not that good. Yeah. I play that when you can play this. Yeah. It was always a deflection of some sort. There was always some sleight of hand. Right. But, but that, that reaction that friends, when they would come over the house, that, that,

[00:09:46] that reaction, that expressive, colorful reaction that became intoxicating. You got five systems. Whoa. What is this? You know, you, you must be rich. And of course we weren't, but like, I liked the attention. I like, I, I'd be lying if I said, I, I didn't like the attention. I loved it. They would come, well, I've never seen this before. This is like an arcade. This is crazy. I don't know anyone with five systems. You're rich.

[00:10:15] And I, and really in retrospect, three of them were a combined $40. The TurboGrafx was broken left by the previous residents. My uncle gave me the Atari for free and I bought the Nintendo. So three systems were $40, you know, it was, it was only the master system. And, but I loved that reaction. I love it. I wanted, I wanted more of it. I wanted more of it. And that's where the bill, that's where the whole, cause I'm really like you.

[00:10:43] I don't really like, I don't throw things away, but I'm not a pack rat. But it was that reaction that, that expressive reaction that everybody, whoa, I don't know anyone with five systems, Joey. That's awesome. That I just, it became type of, it became a thing. I just wanted more and more and more of it. We would get the Genesis, you know, the, the following year. So that was awesome. We just kept adding to it.

[00:11:07] And then when you have this type of, you know, reputation, this moniker, people would just like give me their systems, their consoles. My friend would come over and say, this was my, my uncle, my, my mother's or my, they're old Coleco. And I know you like these. You want it? Somebody else would say, you know, I really want the new N64. You know, you want to buy my, my Panasonic 3DO. I'll sell it to you for 50 bucks.

[00:11:38] You contributed that, Joey, you know, Uncle Gary, he doesn't want the Intellivision anymore. And I told him that you're a collect. So be honest with you, after 95, it began becoming easier to collect these consoles because there was just some sort of a charity program that I had inadvertently adopted. You, you were the, you were the island of misfit toys. It was just for video game consoles. You were, you were the island. You, that's what it was. That's it.

[00:12:06] And you're right though, because everyone knew you were the only person we knew that liked these old things. Like nobody in that era wanted old things. So I, I always tell not the things they always had younger siblings who would play the younger, the older things. So I think you're right. But no one else in our friend group really cared about, like, no one cared about retro games. It was the old, what's the new thing? What's the new thing? Right. So. Always the new thing. Right.

[00:12:36] But it was that reaction. You, you might remember coming downstairs into the basement. Totally. Five consoles. We had two on top of the TV. Yep. And there was some quarter caddy wicker thing that my father put, put in the corner and where three consoles went. And yeah, I mean, I, I just, I loved that attention. I loved it when people would react to that. I find it really interesting, especially because you were new to the neighborhood. You're looking for attention. You're looking for connection. Acceptance. Oh yeah.

[00:13:04] And that was one of the things you use sounds like to, to get that community. And I can totally see as a young person, even as an older person being really attracted to that. That's very interesting. So kids, you know, the acceptance is everything. I don't want to cut you off, but be accepted is, is everything. So yeah, to your point, I co-opted that as a form of child acceptance. Yes. That's really interesting. So as, but as time goes on, we, you know, the retro games become more and more popular.

[00:13:34] But not really until I would say maybe seven years ago, was it really a thing that people were doing? What continued that? Cause I can't imagine that desire for connection sustained the continued collecting. So what, what kept it going when you got to your twenties and your thirties as you continue to amass these things? Sure. It's a great question.

[00:13:59] Um, I just being, uh, such an avid fan, uh, junkie, if you will, uh, of the space video gaming, you know, there was a few things for you and I as, as children, uh, rock music, uh, comedy, cartoons, the Simpsons hockey video games were certainly in that Rolodex for, for me, Bill. It was, it was a passion. It was, uh, um, just something that I've always really appreciated.

[00:14:28] I can't remember being just, you know, a young adolescent and playing deep, deep, meaningful games like Link to the Past and Super Metroid thinking this is art. This is art, you know, and adults would laugh and scoff at us. But I mean, we were, you know, we wound up being right. I don't want to make this like, oh, we were proven right thing, but we were, we were proven right. These things are, uh, are unbelievable. The tracks, the symphonic, uh, musical scores, uh, the level design, the story, everything about them.

[00:14:57] I just really, really fell in love with it. Um, and it became easier, like I said, 13, 14, 15 to collect those systems. Um, even living on a budget like my, my family did by 16. Now I'm a bus boy. I'm making my own money. Um, you know, not that my family was poor. We certainly weren't, but they lived on a budget. So by 16, if I'm making my own money, if I'm bringing home money, you, my family never asked me to contribute, right?

[00:15:25] I'm 16, 17 living at home. Mom washes my clothes. They feed me. They give me roof and board. I, you know, the, the money is mine. What am I going to do with it? I'm going to save it. And, you know, I'll be able to parlay some things. I can get a Jaguar, uh, from my friend who's selling it secondhand used $40. Or a Sega Saturn that's on sale. That's on sale at the store. Okay. That's going to start. I'm going to save up three weeks pay to get the Saturn.

[00:15:55] And then my Christmas gift, that'll be the Nintendo 64. So I was able to kind of squirrel and, and find nuances to, to get these consoles, whether they were used or secondhand or using our Christmas to me and my brother saying, okay. Right. Cause my father, my family wasn't going to get more than one console. You were the same. Yeah. You knew you would get one big console and that was it. And the rest of it was just continuing to collect and really enjoying the games.

[00:16:23] I mean, it got to a point eventually that I couldn't have more than eight consoles connected to one TV, but they were all still there. You remember coming over and saying, I want to play PlayStation, Joey. Okay. And that was just, it took me five seconds to unhook something, the Saturn and then plugging in the PlayStation. Right. And at that point, it's just, it's like an alternator. You know, when you start the car, the starter is the thing that starts the car. How the car runs is the alternator.

[00:16:53] By then I'm already amassed. Oh, between portables and home, I guess 25, 35, 30. Yeah. So at that point it became like, kind of like a hobby. It became kind of my thing. And you were always someone who collected consoles. You weren't so much collecting cause you had games for these things, obviously. But you wasn't, games were never as important as just having the consoles. You always want to have if, Hey, do you have this? Hey, do you have that? And you always want to answer yes. Yes.

[00:17:21] And you can pretty much answer yes to almost any console at this point. I think, I think, um, we'll talk about some of the individual things in a little bit, but I find that interesting that it was also wasn't so much a nostalgia thing at the age of 16, 17. It was just, you enjoyed the games. Like you just really appreciated having different platforms to play on again in that era. You know, there were lots of exclusives. Um, exclusives don't exist as much anymore.

[00:17:50] So you can stick to one console and be okay. But back in those days, you know, if you wanted to play Bonk's adventure, you'd have to get a working Tuberographic 16. Quick postscript. Do you have a working Tuberographic 16 now, Joey? So now I do. Yeah. You now have one? Do you still have the broken one? Do you still have the broken one? No, no. Okay. All right. This is what I mean. I kind of fight my wife when she calls me a pack rat. I got rid of the broken one. I don't know. Once I got a new one. Yeah. That's fair.

[00:18:18] I love the games. I love the systems. And, you know, this is like 93, 94, 95. There's no internet in 95. I mean, we're neophytes. You know, it's in 1995, even 96. It's really the nebulous of the web. So how else could we entertain ourselves? You know, I had friends that would sleep over regularly. Bill would come over regularly. So I liked that.

[00:18:46] I liked entertaining and, you know, what do you want to play, Bill? And Bill, I had Game Gear. I had Nomad. I had Game Boy. I had Virtual Boy. And I liked how my friends would kind of, you know, get off on it, for lack of a better term. Like, oh, this is great. We could just go to Joey's room and plug in and entertain ourselves. Yeah. And it was always really fun to play things I'd never touched before, which was always great. Because if it was ever like a, hey, have you ever played with a Game Gear? Yeah. At Joey's house. You ever had your head in a Virtual Boy?

[00:19:16] Yes. At Joey's house. When was the first time you looked at a PlayStation? At Joey's house. There was always, when was the first time you saw, did you ever play a Jaguar? Sure did. At Joey's house. Which was really cool and formative, too. And I think it's what I appreciate about this is that it's formative. And you talking about how video games were an art form, a newly discovered art form for us.

[00:19:42] I think that speaks to a lot of different people of our age and of our vintage, especially those people who are in their 40s now, who grew up in the 80s and the 90s with this 8-bit and 16-bit systems. Video games were our rock and roll. Video games were our Beatles. Yeah. Where it was a music, it was an art form that evolved with us and alongside us. Well said. At the same time that we grew up.

[00:20:09] By the time we were 17, 18, 19 in college, you know, games were getting edgier and they were marketing to us. You know, and then in their mid-20s, you know, games started having more in-depth stories when we were becoming more media literate. Right. And as so video games for us, I think is very special and different than I think any other generation will ever be because we have it grew up with us. And all along that happened. It was something happened. You're right.

[00:20:39] With our generation that we didn't let it go for whatever reason. And you can't say that, you know, in the mid to late 70s. And they had some banger consoles then too. They had the Intellivision, the Coleco, the Bally Astrocade, which was great. The Odyssey, Magnavox Odyssey series. Obviously the Atari.

[00:21:02] But those kids, 77, 78, 79, they just put them away up until the crash. And you're right. Something happened. Something very, very poignant happened with our generation where we didn't let it go. And if you look at the popular games of the late 80s, they are Mario, Sonic, colorful, cuddly characters of an 11, 12-year-old.

[00:21:29] And then you get into the early 90s, right? And you have angst. You have teen anger. And, you know, libido and all. And those were the games. Sex appeal. Lara Croft. Gratuitous violence. Over-the-top fatalities. Mortal Kombat. Everything that is that of a 14, 15-year-old. And then, yes, to Bill's point, the late 90s, that's where Madden comes in. Now we're young adults. We're into sports. Metal Gear Solid.

[00:21:57] We're into spying, detective, espionage-type games. If you really look at what was popular, it follows our generation. Does it not, Bill? It does. And that's what I think is unique about our generation when it comes to video games. Now, mind you, every video, every, let me put it this way, every generation, of course, is going to have those 10 poles. Like, for example, Pokemon is a good example. I never got Pokemon. I was 17 when Pokemon came out.

[00:22:27] I was too old for Pokemon at the time. But I know a lot of people I speak to who are six years younger than us that Pokemon was their everything. Life. Pokemon was life. And because they were 11 or 10 or 11 when Pokemon came out and Pokemon Red and Blue were the end-all, be-all, right? My brother-in-law, he's like, give me a cartoon that was big for you. And I said, Thundercats. Yeah. And he said, now give me a video game. I said, Mario. He says, now give me a card. Some card.

[00:22:56] I said, Garbage Pail Kids. Right. He said, Joey, MASH, Garbage Pail Kids, and Thundercats, and Super Mario. Combine those two. That's Pokemon for us. And Bill, I got it. I was like, okay, wow. Wow. I got it. Pokemon was a cultural revolution. It took over. I can't wait to talk to Gil Tilden about Pokemon. I do have to schedule that interview at some point.

[00:23:22] Gil Tilden, who was the editor-in-chief of Nintendo Power for the longest time, which is my episode 100, she also is responsible for bringing Pokemon to the U.S. from Japan. Wow. So I have to send my little mental bonnet of things. Reach out to Gail at some point to talk to her about it. I'd be very interested in that. Yeah, it'd be cool to hear her talk about Pokemon. So anyway, back to your collection, good sir. Let's talk about some of these specific pieces in particular.

[00:23:49] What would you say your rarest thing is in your collection? The one that you can bust out to, and most people go, what in heaven's name is that contraption? There's a few. Yeah. So by the 2000s, 2003, 2004, I'm married. I got married very young, and the consoles were limited to just really three.

[00:24:17] Whatever Nintendo released, GameCube, PlayStation, insert number, and an Xbox. So that was really, you know, and now I have a full-time job. I have a career. So that's really, and the internet is booming. eBay is a thing. I was able to really focus and look for rare pieces and items during this period of time. And a lot of them I already had. I discovered in 05, 06, oh, the Sega Nomad. That's rare. Have it already. The Virtual Boy.

[00:24:47] That's rare too. Have that already. The more rare ones, beyond Virtual Boy, I have the Engage, which is incredibly, incredibly rare. Those that don't know, it was Nokia that said, let's take the portable video game, you know, idea and marry it with mobile phones. So that was, I mean, now everyone has a video game on their Galaxy or iPhone or whatnot.

[00:25:16] But that was way, way ahead of its time. Because it played cartridges, right? Correct. It played cartridges. Didn't you have to, I may be wrong on this, didn't you have to like remove the battery cover to change out the cartridges or something stupid like that? No, you did. No, no. You're great. No, no, you're right. I'm right. Look at that. Look at that. That's the memory. I'm sorry for breakfast today, but I do tell you that you can remove the battery compartment for an N-Gage.

[00:25:45] It was the taco. It was the taco phone. It was the taco phone. So that's quite rare. The R-Zone. The R-Zone was Tiger Electronics. Their attempt to do, for whatever reason, virtual reality was big in the 90s, late 90s. It was huge. Everyone had some 3D thing. So that was their kind of poor man's virtual boy. And it was really, really bad. And I don't just say this.

[00:26:12] It was just really a strap that you strapped to your head and some red lens that would be six inches from your right eye. The left eye. It was some sort of like a 3D thing. It was like a hologram, almost, that was projected against the red plastic shroud. I remember attempting to play this thing, Joey. And I use the word attempting because I was never successful at playing your R-Zone.

[00:26:40] But I have had an R-Zone strapped to my head, too, at Joey's house. So that's rare. My Magnavox Odyssey, very rare. My Turbo Express, extremely rare, which is the TurboGrafx-16 portable. Nice. Yep, I remember that. My Atari Lynx, that's an item that took me a long time to get, and I finally did.

[00:27:06] But anything Neo Geo, for whatever reason, that's like, yeah, that's like the Rolex, the Mercedes. That was always something that was way, way too expensive. That was one, like, there was no ports. You know that. You went and played a Neo Geo console in your house. You were playing the same port that was out in the arcades at the time. Yep. And they were a fortune. Panasonic 3DO, my Philips CDI, extremely rare.

[00:27:36] And my Vectrex, which I just got last month. Oh, I was going to ask you what your most recent acquisition is. You got a Vectrex. Wow. I got a Vectrex. That was something that I was trying for a long time, and I'm very picky when it comes to that, because the Vectrex was a portable television tube. So you have to, you really have to speak to the owner and say, you know, how much he or she uses it. Like, how much did you use this?

[00:28:02] If they say, oh, you know, I use this all the time, you kind of want to shy away from it, because when you're dealing with TV tubes, it could go at any second. It's the ones that say, like, oh, I really barely used it. They're the ones to look for, and they're really, really difficult to find. I got very lucky with this person that I found in South Jersey on the Facebook Marketplace. He babied this thing. I can't wait to show it to you, Bill. Yeah, that's cool. Yeah, I got the case. It's on my channel.

[00:28:32] Two control pads. All of the overlays. The instruction manual. And 17 games. So, yeah, that's one I'm very proud of. That's really cool, man. That is very cool. I was going to ask you what your most recent acquisition is, and that's, I did not know about the Vectrex. That's really cool. That's a very cool system.

[00:28:56] On one William Walter, because he is one to say to me that he doesn't like to collect, that he likes to get rid of things. And he does. He does. It's an accurate assessment. It's an accurate comment. But you, my friend, you have quite a collection of video games yourself. Am I wrong? I have some systems. I have some systems. I have a system or two that are still knocking around the old house here. You didn't get rid of your Nintendo.

[00:29:26] Or your Super Nintendo. No. I don't have them. My brother has them. Okay. That qualifies. Okay. GameCube? My brother's got the GameCube. He's got the GameCube and he has his N64 still. N64. Okay. He might still have his Game Boy. That's seven. And I know you got the Game Boy Advance because I hacked it for you. That's eight. You've got the Wii. That's nine. You've got how many PlayStation? I mean, we're at double digits already. We're in double digits already. I have a PlayStation.

[00:29:54] I have a PlayStation 2, 3, 4, and 5. There you go. So it's a two slim and a fat chunky PS3 and a 4 and a 5. No, yeah. That's very fair. I still have the Game Boy Micro. Okay. Game Boy Micro. That one Joe Coro got me for Christmas one year. I actually love that thing. That thing was awesome. It was so good. I love that. Yeah. I mean, dare I say, we're approaching 20. Yeah.

[00:30:23] That's a number. Sure. Sure. I have a DS, a 3DS. If I were to collect systems, I actually have a system. I've been trying to figure out. I think I still have it somewhere. I have an Odyssey 2. Oh, my goodness. I have an Odyssey 2. My friend Eric, who is Hourless Life, if you want to go check out his YouTube, he's a full-time overlander.

[00:30:50] He is traveling around the world with his wife and eight-year-old. I do. Send it to me when we're offline. Yeah. And Hourless Life, everyone else wants to check it out. He's an amazing dude. When he was moving out of his mother pathway a couple of years ago, unfortunately, and when they were cleaning out their house, he found his old Odyssey 2 with nine games and boxes in the box. And I was the only person. I was you, Joey.

[00:31:19] I was the only person he could think of who actually would want that. And so I'm like, yeah, I'll take it. So it's been sitting in one of our closets for the last couple of years. Again, not on display or anything. But I will say that. So I have an Odyssey 2. That's awesome. And it's got some games and such. So, yeah.

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[00:32:41] Now you, again, I'm turning the tables here. Yes. As far as Sega, Saturn, Dreamcast, Genesis, was that a conscientious decision on your part? No interest? I know you were painted very strongly with Nintendo colors. Like, what was the reasoning there? Painted? I was branded on my forehead with Mario's face. Are you kidding me? Painted? Painted implies you can remove it. I was a four-star general in the Bit Wars, sir.

[00:33:10] I'll have you know. And I would never have a Sega anything in my possession. You know me. I am loyal to a fault when it comes to certain things. And I was loyal to a fault to Nintendo. So I was always Team Nintendo. The only reason I had a Sony anything was because my brother wanted a PlayStation 2 to play Grand Theft Auto. Oh, interesting. That's the only reason we had one. My brother wanted a PS2, you know, and I was like, all right, you can have a PS2. I have no interest in it. It's Sony. Why would I buy a Sony thing?

[00:33:40] Yeah. Yeah. So that's the only reason we had a PS2. But yeah, that was a conscious decision on my part to be completely anti-Sega. And that streak continues. I don't like Apple. I own an iPhone now because my wife made me. She said, Bill, just get an iPhone. And sometimes you just have to say yes, dear. And you know what's the worst thing about it is? The worst of the whole thing is it's actually great. It's actually really good.

[00:34:10] It's actually great. I love it. That's part of the episode. I love it. I love the stupid thing. I loathe what it stands for, but I love it. It's great. People actually text me now and include me in group messages. Before it was like, oh, you have a Samsung? I can't put you in this group message. And I'm like, well, what do I do if I need to know? You're just not going to know. I was told this. Ostracized. Oh, my goodness. Social friend groups. But now I'm in. So that's it. But that's another story altogether.

[00:34:40] So I'm still that way. I can be very passionate. If I were to collect something, it's very niche. If I were to collect anything, I would collect Zelda-themed consoles. Because I love the Zelda-themed consoles. Interesting. I love the color themes. I love the. That's a unique. Wow. I like that. Yeah. Because I have a Zelda-themed DS. I have a Zelda-themed 3DS. And I think that's it.

[00:35:08] And I was at a convention. It was a PRGE a couple of years ago. And someone was selling. I think it was a new 3DS or one of the. It was a Zelda-themed DS of some sort. And it was black and gold. It was beautiful. And it was one of the last hours of the convention when everyone's like, I don't want to go home with this dumb thing. Let me please take it off my hands if you're willing. And I looked at that thing for a solid 10 minutes, Joey.

[00:35:36] And it was, I think he wanted like $300 for it or something. Wow. Three or four. I forget what it was. I'm like, I can't spend $400 on shelf candy. I can't. I couldn't do it. I couldn't do it, Joey. I'm at such a point now, and this is going to sound so, I don't even want to say it because I'm not bougie. It's going to sound materialistic. But if you have the disposable income and you're going to buy something that makes you happy, go for it. That's where I'm at in my life.

[00:36:06] As long as you don't go nuts and if you have the disposable income and it's going to bring you joy, do it. And I think it's one of those situations for me where I always factor in how much joy is it going to bring, right? And what's the return on investment for that thing? Yeah. And I tried to separate the emotions from the ROI, and that's what keeps me from making those decisions for better or for worse, right?

[00:36:33] But if I were to collect anything, it would be Zelda-themed consoles. I want a Zelda-themed, you know, I don't know if there was a Zelda-themed N64 or if there was a Zelda-themed Wii. I know there was a Wii that was Zelda-themed. I would get Zelda-themed stuff just because I love the design of Zelda stuff. I'm not like Zelda, I'm a big Zelda fan, but I just love the way that stuff looks. And to have a shelf of just Zelda-themed stuff would be very cool. You were always about the ROI and joy.

[00:37:04] And thinking ahead about, like, is this going to make me happy in three months, right? And not only joy, I want to say this, sharing joy. Bill was always about sharing joy and, you know, sharing whatever it was, whatever experience that he had that brought him joy, sharing it with others. And that's, you know, back to the video game collecting, to be known as that person. Because there were other people that was, like, with music.

[00:37:32] Like my friend Andrew, like Andrew Pollard, like, we all knew. Go to his house and you'll see records. You'll see cassettes. You'll see CDs. You'll see A-tracks. Stuff that we've never seen before. He's the music guy. Movies. Bill was the movie guy. Bill, in his house, he had what we called the TFT. You know, he had surround sound. He had, I never seen a flat screen before I went over Bill's house. He had the best movies. It was the best experience, the most comfortable chairs.

[00:38:01] If I was the video game guy, Bill's house was the movie guy. So to get, to be the guy with the video game moniker, that was certainly cool for me. No, for sure. And, yeah, TFT standing for Tucker Family Theater. That was the TFT. You remember that? Oh, yeah, totally. I had surround sound before people had surround sound. That was a big thing for me. It was like, I have five speakers in my basement that you can, it comes in all the speakers. You can hear it around you. Yeah.

[00:38:29] It was truly, for those who've never experienced it, I mean this. It was like going to your own private movie theater, movie cinema. I mean, this is at the time when we have our license. Yeah. All the best video games, arcades, the internet is booming. Yeah. And all I wanted to do was see movies because of the experience. It was, there was nothing like it. And one of the things for just going, again, this is going back to collecting and this kind of, it's kind of tangentially related, which is fine.

[00:38:56] I was one of the first people to do Netflix. Yeah. And get DVDs sent to my house. Correct. The second I saw that I can, wait a minute, I can go on, I can do what now? I can go online for a flat fee every month. Yes. And just get three DVDs at a time and just watch movies and make a list, a queue of, a list online for those young bloods out there. Netflix didn't start with streaming.

[00:39:21] They actually mailed DVDs and paper sleeves to your house and you could do three at max. And then when you returned one in its self-addressed envelope, they would automatically send you the next one on your queue. Correct. And you had a queue that you managed on your computer online. And I was, ready for this? I was one of the first people I knew who was doing Netflix DVDs. And my brother was one of the last people to do Netflix DVDs.

[00:39:48] Do you know they got rid of Netflix DVDs in 2023? That was the last. Oh, no. No way. 2023. I know this for a fact because I had the email they sent to my brother. Hey, Mr. Tucker, you're the only one doing this still and have been for the last four years. That's not what the email said, but it's, hey, we are finally retiring DVD sending, Blu-ray sending via Netflix. I tell people this, they're like, there's no way.

[00:40:17] They had to have ended 10 years ago. Like, no. I remember when Netflix streaming, when Netflix streaming first came out, I bought a DVD player just to do Netflix streaming. Yeah, I remember that. And it was this hand-handed app. There was like 20 movies on it. They were all documentaries nobody wanted to watch. They were awful. Do you remember the first Netflix show? The first Netflix show? My goodness. I think I'm right.

[00:40:46] I'm going to look this up to make sure I'm saying this properly, but. Strangers? Orange is the New Black? No. It wasn't Stranger Things. I don't know. I'm pretty confident. I'm pretty confident it was Lilyhammer. Okay. Which starred Stephen Van Zant of Bruce Springsteen and Sopranos fame. It was like a, and I'm pretty confident that was the first Netflix exclusive series.

[00:41:17] I think you're right. Yeah. I'm pretty confident because that was, yeah, that was 2012. And that's just when Netflix streaming. That's funny that your brother was the last of the Mohicans. The last. So between my brother and I, we lived the entirety of Netflix DVD streaming. And this ties in with collecting. I mean, there's, and, and it ties directly what I mean about Bill wanting to share that experience. And that's why we're friends for nearly 40 years.

[00:41:46] Water seeks its own level. Whatever I was doing with the video games, entertaining, basically my friends that would come over wanting them to have any type of experience they had. Bill would do at the same time with me with movies. You've got to see swingers. You saw it already. I would say, no, you got to see it. He would, he was always very, he wanted to share that joy. You got to see a clerks. You got to see Godfather too.

[00:42:14] Even though he had saw it already, he wanted you to see it. He wanted you to experience that. That's a good point. See your expression, see your reaction. And yeah, that's, I think why we've been friends for so long. One of the many reasons. That's crazy. That's really, that's really funny. I totally agree. I think that that's a big part of it. Going back to the collecting side of things. I've asked this question already a couple of times to some different people. So I'll pose it to you. Of everything that's in your collection. And this could even be not even video game related.

[00:42:42] If there's something that really sticks in your mind when I asked this. Of everything that's in your collection. What piece is the most personal to you? Not the most expensive or not the most highest value or not the rarest, but what's the piece in your collection that holds the strongest personal connection? You're going to get me emotional. I'm never going to forgive you. I'm sorry. That's what I do on the show. My Sega CD.

[00:43:15] I wanted a Sega CD for Christmas. And my father, he said that he would try to get it for me. And then about a week later, he said, Joseph, that's a peripheral. You know, that's not its own console. You can't just get the Sega CD. You'd have to get the Genesis, too. And that's like two systems. And I was like, oh, you know, all right. You know, and he was working two jobs at the time.

[00:43:45] And King's in the deli. And he was an electrician. And I said, forget it then. I mean, I already known at that point Santa, you know, wasn't a thing. And I knew my father and my mother, whatever Christmas gift they would give me was on their dime. So I just said, forget the Sega CD then. Forget it. Just get the Genesis then. Maybe next year I'll get the Sega CD. And he says, all right.

[00:44:09] And that Christmas, he got me the Sega CD. He got me it and the Genesis. So that's something that's very personal to me. I get emotional, actually, when I watch Christmas Story with Ralphie and Randy. Right. Because he says a great line in there. He says, lying in the cold darkness, like my blue steel beauty.

[00:44:37] The greatest Christmas gift I had received or would ever receive. And that's a real poignant line. Greatest Christmas gift he received at that point. Or would ever receive. Meaning that's the best. It never got better than that. And that was the Sega CD for me, Bill. That was, you know, I know what my father had to do to get that, you know. So that's it. Yeah, man. No, I remember the Sega CD very vividly.

[00:45:06] I remember you had a Sega CD and a 32X. And I remembered a Sega CD that was important to you because you, that was the first time you had a CD player. You had a CD player in your house, if I remember correctly. Yeah. Yeah, man. No, that's cool. And do you still have that Sega CD? Oh, yeah. And that'd be an obvious question, maybe. But yeah, I mean, sometimes, you know, these things go away. But yeah, that's awesome, man. That's cool.

[00:45:37] I think that's really touching. I always tell people my favorite video game system I ever received was my Super Nintendo. And it was a very similar situation where I knew there was no Santa Claus. I was 11 or 12, I think, at the time. And my dad said up and down, you're not getting a Super Nintendo. He swore. He said, it's not happening. Don't even expect it. Don't even think about it. And it was Christmas.

[00:46:02] And you can actually, now that I actually have a YouTube time, I actually put the video on YouTube now. I still have it. I know what you're talking about. It's a beautiful video. Beautiful video. Please put it up. I will put it up one of these days. I mean, I'll do it on Christmas next year. But so that Christmas of 92, there is an episode about this on this very podcast as well, a few years old. I, my brother got a Game Boy. And I thought that was it. Well, my brother got a Game Boy.

[00:46:32] Well, there it is. There's no chance then of a Super Nintendo. That's, like you say, it was one system. Right. For all of us. Right. And my brother got the Game Boy with Tetris. You always shared. We always shared. We always shared. And we were actually really good about it, too. There was no, you know, this is mine. This is not mine. There was none of that in our house. So I was like, that's it. And then at the very end, when everything, all the presents were wrapped and opened and there's chaos strewn about.

[00:47:01] My dad did the old. Oh, there's one gift you forgot. It's amazing. Look at that. One gift. Oh, wait. I think there's one. Yeah. Like Christmas story. Hey, I think you're missing one behind the tree. And sure enough, that was a Super Nintendo. And the combination of. I've said this before on the show, but it's been a few years. I'll say it again. The combination of. No expectations. No expectations. None. And.

[00:47:31] It's the greatest Christmas gift I've ever received and will ever receive the same thing, right? It won't get better than that. And the reason is, is that there was no expectations. It was some, it opened me up to an entirely different world of experiences. I remember begging my dad, of course, to hook it up in the basement. And he forced, he did dutifully. And I'm playing until two in the afternoon, nonstop thinking Mario play Mario world. Like it's never going to get better than this. Like it's just not going to.

[00:47:57] It opened up avenues that I didn't even expect, but there was also no strings attached either. Because I received it at an age where I could enjoy things unabashedly. Like if someone gave me a car, right? Like, hey, here's a car. Wow. That's amazing. I mean, extremely grateful. But then you got to think, all right, well, I'm going to insure this thing. I'm going to, so I'm going to hit it with a shopping cart. There's worry and anxiety associated with things because I'm of the age where I should be worrying.

[00:48:28] Not too much, obviously, not to the point of anxiety, but I should be concerned about the things that I have. I should be concerned about taking care of things. There should be costs to the things that I enjoy. You know, so a few years ago, I received a camera, like a really nice camera with lenses because I was doing a lot of music photography. And that was great. But it was also, I knew, there was also, I knew what people had to do to make that happen.

[00:48:56] But the Super Nintendo had no strings attached because I was of the age where there shouldn't have been. And that's what makes it special. And yeah, so I totally agree. And now, just to elaborate, to continue that, as adults, you and I and our fathers, for those who don't know, they both crossed over and they were both blue collar. You understand what they had to do. Oh, yeah. And that just made, you know what I mean? Our families lived on a budget.

[00:49:22] So it was like, you know, you know the Herculean effort that our dads had to do to get that. So there's a newfound appreciation that you didn't have as a child. $200 in those days was a lot of money. A fortune. And again, not to get into a conversation about video game prices and all the rest of that. We're not going to get into that. But video games have always been expensive. They've always been expensive. That was beautifully said, though. Beautifully said. Yeah. And you too, man.

[00:49:50] I mean, that's one of those things where, yeah, I totally agree. That was definitely, that's the best. That's the pinnacle. And it's not going to... It's the apex of gift giving. Yes, correct. Yeah, it's the apex of gift giving. I mean, really, that's basically it. I mean, yeah. Do you have any stories of the system that got away or the thing that you wanted to acquire that's just somehow escaped your grasp? If not, that's fine.

[00:50:20] But I'm just curious because I know collectors, there's always that one story of like, oh, man, one that got away. So the one that nearly got away was I had an Atari Jaguar and I had got it. This was at the end of its shelf life. It was already at the point to being obsolete, a defunct system. So they were selling them at Toys R Us in 94 for, I want to say, $68, $69, you know, $69.99,

[00:50:49] which, you know, and again, I'm working. I'm a busboy. I bought it. And my friend Andy Botros, he was very, very big into video games like you and me. And he played it and played it. And at the time, I just, I'm at a different age. You know, he was my brother's friend. So there's five years difference. And I'm more into N64. I've really got no interest in it. And he asked me, can I borrow this? And I said, yeah, sure. Of course, it's fine. No interest in it.

[00:51:18] I just said, you know, it's fine. Bring it back, but you can borrow it. And I forgot about it. I forgot about it. And a year later, Andy moved to California with my Atari Jaguar. And for the next 15 years, it was very hard to get an Atari Jaguar. Either you couldn't find it or there was no such thing as Amazon.

[00:51:47] If you want to do something on eBay, you had to bid. You had to like, you know, it was some sort of tobacco auctioneer stuff at the time. I would either lose the bid or if I won the bid, I was at a point in my life where I didn't have a lot of disposable ink. I just couldn't get it. It was nearly, nearly the one that got away. But of course, knowing me like you do, I have to. Yeah, I'm not going to call Andy and say, mail me back my Jaguar. He's got the Jaguar or maybe he does it. Maybe he threw it away.

[00:52:17] But for a long time, Bill, a long time, that that was the one that got away. That was the white whale. That was literally the white whale. That was your Moby Dick. That was the whale. That's interesting. I just did a cursory look online how much a Jaguar goes for. A pre-owned Jaguar with just a controller and no games goes for over $500 right now. It's very expensive. Madness. That's absolute madness. It's funny too.

[00:52:45] And you didn't ask me this question, but I'm going to ask the question for you. Okay. I'm going to pretend I'm Bill. Joey, at the advent, the beginning of emulation, were you upset being a collector? The answer is yes. That's an excellent question. Because I'm thinking, oh man, are you kidding me? In 2008, 2009.

[00:53:13] Emulation was, you know, before that. But by 2009, 2010, everyone knew how to download a ROM and emulate it. So yes, I was very upset because my collection was less special now. Anyone had any video game from any error, from any console at their fingertips. Very upset. Very upset about that. I have stopped being so upset about that now because for whatever reason, I think there's

[00:53:42] a tangibility value. People like the systems now. They like cartridges and whatnot. And I've let it go. I mean, yeah. I'm at a point now where everyone should play these games. Yeah. And I've always, I was emulating early. You were. You were. I was emulating on my IBM ThinkPad. Yes. And 1999, yeah, 1999, baby. Yeah.

[00:54:11] 1999, 2000. I had Nesticle and whatever the Super Nintendo was. You used your college Wi-Fi? I remember this. Yep. I used my college Wi-Fi to go on. He would call me. He's like, what was that game that we, yeah, Tekken. Thank you, Joey. And the one with the box adventure thing. He was just, he was making up for lost times. Believe me. Yeah. I was making up for lost times. I still have those. I still have some of those ROMs now. You can't, you know, with all the Nintendo crackdown, good luck trying to find a ROM of Mario 3.

[00:54:41] You're right. And Mario 2. You're right. And my ROM is labeled Mario 2. I might be misspelt. I mean, it's ancient, ancient ROM. But yeah, no, I still emulate to this day. I play NHL 94 a lot on my Steam Deck and I still do it. And obviously the world of emulation is a, is a gray area, obviously. But I, for the limited amount that I do, I, the other day I was saying, Hey, I've never emulated Dreamcast games. Let me see how that works. Yeah.

[00:55:10] And it's a royal pain in the neck. You got to do bioses and you got to make sure this thing and this meme and this, whatever else it's a royal pain. It's not replacing the, the, the joys of just plugging and playing, but I was able to play crazy taxi. Yeah. That's a great game. That's a great game. For like 20 minutes, it was super fun. Just like it was many years ago. Obviously the world of collecting has changed over the years. Right now, obviously it's bigger than it's ever been.

[00:55:36] I just, this may warm your hearts or, or not, but I think we'll warm your heart. There is a student at the youth group that I serve with at church. His name's Greg. He is a junior in high school this year. I've known him since he was like in fourth grade, maybe fourth or fifth grade, probably. And he is an avid collector. He, he, and he collects retro systems and he, and he, I remember one day he showed up and it's like, Hey, Mr. Bill, check it out. And he showed me a Game Boy color.

[00:56:05] No, it was a Game Boy pocket. The pocket was a Game Boy pocket. He's like, Oh yeah, I replaced the screen on it. So he, and he resells, he kind of does a reselling thing, but he's really fair about it. He's not a jerk, but he, him and his dad, it's the thing they do on weekends. They go to thrift stores and they go to like, see this. This is what I mean. Yeah. Now he's spending time with his dad. Sorry. And now him and his dad, they go around and he, he, uh, his big thing last year was he picked up a couple of Sony Trinitons, you know, that were working and, you know, 300

[00:56:34] pound monstrosities. So anyway, what's what, what, what that tells me is that it's still persisting, which is cool. And there's, and what I love about classic games and retro games, and I've been asked this too, and this kind of leads into this final question of our conversation is it's not just in nostalgia because those games do hold up. They do. Because he still plays again, he's a young kid. So he's playing like PlayStation era resident evil, but he's playing on original hardware, right?

[00:57:02] Like, and, and really enjoying it. I played Bioshock, you know, on this Xbox that I picked up or I, yeah. And even older than that, like I played this Nintendo game and it's, it's amazing that, cause I think a big misconception people have outside of this retro world is that it's just nostalgia. Yeah. It's just a bunch of old guys thinking about the good old days.

[00:57:25] And you know me, Joey, I considering I do a show that's basically a nostalgia bomb. That's like literally an opiate hit of nostalgia to the nostrils on a weekly basis. I'm not a nostalgic person by nature. I've never been a nostalgic person by nature. I think nostalgia is a dangerous drug. I think nostalgia can be very dangerous. I think living in the past can be dangerous. I think there's lots of great things happening right now.

[00:57:52] And I think it's important to live in a moment, which is why I like to focus on stories as opposed to nostalgia. And I think there's a difference. There is a difference. But it's not just nostalgia. It's not just old people wanting to be 14 again or wanting to be 11 again. It's an appreciation for the, the origins of an art form. And it's just liking that stuff. And the games for the most part, hold up.

[00:58:21] The classics are still classics. The greats are still great. Art is going to be great art. No matter what time period. It can't be denied. If you see a painting or a sculpture, the Mona Lisa, you're going to say, wow, it doesn't matter how old it is. It's the same with movies, Godfather. It's the same if you play the White Album. It just doesn't matter. Great art can't be denied. And video games are that art.

[00:58:51] And it isn't just a nostalgia. And I know it's not just a nostalgia based on my children and their friends. And hey, Mr. Coral, what's that? Oh, you saw it. Here, play it. And my niece now. And your son, who I just saw a couple months ago. We went to Topgolf. And I don't know. I think it was Zelda. I launched it on my cell phone. Here you go, Will. And he played. To this new generation of kids. Yeah. This is not nostalgia.

[00:59:21] They don't have any intrinsic memories of the 1980s like we do. No. But they love it. Because it's great art. Correct. And it can't be denied. Because play is timeless. Play transcends. And games are just another form of play. And if you're not clouded by, you know, again, us growing up with the industry, we were always looking for the best, the better, the better, the better. For my son, you know, he played.

[00:59:49] My son's claim, his retro claim to fame is he beat Donkey Kong Country. I love this. That's such a hard game. At the age of, I think he was five. He was five. And he beat Donkey Kong Country. I can't tell you how. For five years old. For five years old. You could have told me, Joey, he did quantum physics. I probably wouldn't have reacted to the same one. The other day, he had the switch going. And I heard the familiar sounds of The Legend of Zelda. The original NES Zelda.

[01:00:18] And I'm like, Will, are you playing Zelda? He's like, yeah, I'm playing the one that has the shield on the cover. I'm like, yeah, that's the one. Yeah, that's the one. Like, how far did you get? He's like, not far. I'm like, okay, good. Keep going. But that's the beautiful thing, right? And he has access to other games and newer games. But he's a Zelda kid. He loves. He chooses that. And that shows you that it's just not nostalgia. That this is profound, great, for lack of a better term, art.

[01:00:44] And whether you're nine years old or 55, it cannot be denied. And I'm so glad that it's considered an art form now. And it gets the appreciation that it deserves. Not yet. Not all the way. I'd like to see an award show. You know, Broadway's got the Tonys. Music's got the Grammys. Movie's got the Academy Awards. I would love it if there was a... I know there's a video game award, but you know what I mean. Like a real... Yeah, I would love that.

[01:01:13] But we're getting there. We're getting there. You don't like the game awards? The trailer fest? That's basically one long commercial for 80 different products? It's a three-hour commercial. Exactly. Yeah. You don't like that? No? No, no. I want some sort of Academy, like the Academy Awards. Like they thank... I thank the Academy. Now look, there's politics with the Oscar too. Of course. Of course. But it's still something that's considered revered. Yeah. I would love that. Something of esteem and prestige, I think, would be cool.

[01:01:43] And they're trying. I mean, again, video games are a very young art form. It's brand new still. It's the nebulous of art. Yes, correct. Yeah, it's in its infancy still. So we'll get to that point. But I do think there is something to be said for the classics, right? And more than again, just nostalgia. Because a younger generation are still getting into it. I'll go to Classic Game Fest here in Austin. And I'm considering going to PRGE. I always make a last minute decision on PRGE based on what worked situation.

[01:02:13] But whenever I go, there are still – it's not just old farts like you and me running around that place. There's people of every age and dads bringing – dads and moms bringing their kids. And the kids are into this too. And they're playing on the old PCs and old consoles and enjoying themselves. Not for kitsch factor or not because it's ironic, but because they are genuinely having a good time. You know? I mean – and I think that's great.

[01:02:41] And I hope that's something that can persist into the future. I love it. Mr. Joey, before we leave, where can people find you on the internets at this moment in time? Good sir. Sure. You can find me on YouTube. YouTube.com slash Joe-Kade. C-A-D as in David. E as in Edward. I'm also on Twitter or X, whatever it's called. Twix. I'm on Twitch, but I need help with Twitch. I'm still learning.

[01:03:10] You can find me on there too. But I'm really – you can find me on YouTube. Awesome. And I've had people say to me – I forgot who said this would be a good thing for us to do. I forgot who said this. Oh, it might have been – it might have been Chase. Retro game. It might have been Chase. Yeah, Chase is great. And he's like, you and Joey, since I've never played Halo. Halo. He's like, you and Joey should stream playing Halo for the first time together. I've never once picked up – I lie.

[01:03:38] I picked up Halo, I think, once at a friend's house. And I was like, I don't know what to do with this. So I have never played Halo either. So yeah, that would be – See? The two of us playing Halo on stream together. I think that would be fantastic. That would actually be a lot of fun. Yeah, I do. That would be – we can maybe make that happen. Let's make that happen. Please do. Yeah. That would be a lot of fun because I've never – I don't know the first thing about it. And it would be fun to experience it alongside somebody else. Yeah, good idea, Chase. We'll do it.

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